Ornery

and another lopsided Gulf landslide is prolly going to start soon.

I confess, I try to read stuff from women a bit more, since I'm not one, and there are less of them.

But Den, you haven't exactly said why you don't get your tubes tied? I'm really sorry you can't safely have children. And Luny, your history is sad too.

But killing a human fetus is pretty bad -- like much worse than killing a whale, or a baby harp seal, or a spotted owl; or even the very last dodo bird. Adoption should be the chosen method to avoid suffering while taking care of an unwanted child.

And there should be FAR more punishment against men who rape.

But Den, don't you think there might be a connection with anti-Western feeling when the UN promotes "reproductive health", in documents which deliberately do NOT define what that is? It means abortion, on demand, up to the day before birth -- doesn't it?


I challenge you to try to show me it doesn't, warning you that my pro-life wife took part in some UN women's meetings: in (and before) Beijing, and 5 years later in New York (again).

Scientifically, human life starts at conception, when the first moment of existence of that new DNA. At least, that's how you & I "began", some may not be sure of Chiu. The "non-agression principle" (libertarian) should prolly apply then, since that cell is now a different body -- and NOT the women's.

But nobody seems to be happy calling abortion the murder of a parasite.

Most religions support conception as the point where "rights", and especially the right to live, begin. I certainly support medical procedures to save the life of the mother over the fetus, when the mother's physical life is in danger -- but with ceasarian sections and ultrasound, I suspect that number is really really small. You both might be in that minority.

But the religious issue is that the UN is pushing Universal Rights documents, and is pushing abortion as a universal right -- in opposition to many religions, including both Christianity and Islam. For many folk, if they have to choose between their religion and the corrupt, elitist UN, it's easy to choose the religion. Especially if you're one of the religious power elites in a theocracy.

Just wondering if you had considered how advocating abortion is one of the ways many folk become certain that US/Western values are bad?
(undated Jan?)